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Post by mikeyk159 on Jan 6, 2012 2:04:24 GMT -5
Time to get this topic going again... In the latest episode (#39) Mikey made his case for banning COP:Black. Even though he's obviously wrong, is there anyone else who thinks that? (I only post this because he seems to enjoy getting pissed off soooo much!) When you prove to me a way to beat a cop:black with mono black rats/control/aggro/etc... Then I will be convinced. I would put a smiley face for a straight face. But there isn't one. WHY ISN'T THERE ONE GOD DAMN IT? ? NOW MY POST IS RUINED. Also I don't see a thank you for helping this thread have life again:D. Anyway... @rockbass: Um.. What? I don't want the world banned and I don't care if magic goes, my life will sill go on . All I'm saying is, ban Glimmepost and see just how much Cloudpost decks win. that's all I'm saying.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 6, 2012 7:54:21 GMT -5
When you prove to me a way to beat a cop:black with mono black rats/control/aggro/etc... I think the answer is built into your comment. If you're going to run mono-anything, you're going to be at the mercy of the cards that target that color. Black just gets hit incredibly hard in this case because it doesn't have a convenient answer once it's on the table. I wouldn't want to be playing Delver if COP:Blue hits the table, either... or burn against COP:Red. In the first days of the game, the mono-colored decks were not very viable for exactly this reason and everyone, especially black, would run a touch of white to fit in Disenchants (and Swords to Plowshares) and that was maindeck. You have to beat COP:Black with Duress, right? That's your shot. If you don't think it's a good enough shot, then you splash some answers from another color and dilute your Corrupts a bit, or you run the risk of getting shut out if your opponent is running white. I don't know that this is any worse than Affinity running into Gorilla Shaman. You don't have that Galvanic in hand, you're done. Also I don't see a thank you for helping this thread have life again:D. Thank you. All I'm saying is, ban Glimmepost and see just how much Cloudpost decks win. that's all I'm saying. Just for completeness, in the listing I reference above, Cloudpost decks would account for 63 of the 400+ decks that went 3-1 or better. UR Post was the clear favorite with 28, the remainder was a mix of the others. I don't personally think this is ban-worthy because it's still less than 20% of the winning meta and it is spread across multiple sub-types, but it is the most common winning archetype in this sample.
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Post by mikeyk159 on Jan 6, 2012 10:32:55 GMT -5
i actually beat a cop blue with my delver blue deck. It was recorded and will be posted monday.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 6, 2012 10:38:03 GMT -5
i actually beat a cop blue with my delver blue deck. It was recorded and will be posted monday. Just wait and see... it's going to be a video of Mikey giving a police officer bruises by smashing him repeatedly with a little metal suitcase filled with cards. ;D
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Post by RockBass on Jan 6, 2012 13:10:12 GMT -5
Just wait and see... it's going to be a video of Mikey giving a police officer bruises by smashing him repeatedly with a little metal suitcase filled with cards. ;D ;D I think that the fact that blue has more answers to a COP: Blue helps to nullify the threat a bit. If the black circle becomes a mainstay, mono black will just have to adapt. Said it before, and will say it again, Blightspeaker.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 6, 2012 13:28:52 GMT -5
Blightspeaker, or even Onyx Goblet... but if you're going to get that desperate, you can always run Brush With Death. In a control deck, you're probably going to still be alive to use it once you have enough mana to buy it back.
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Post by bobblyigg on Jan 6, 2012 13:46:54 GMT -5
Old monoblack lists ran Dross Golem to beat Circle of Protection Black. I still think that's the best answer. Off color phyrexian mana creatures also work in addition to artifact creatures. You can also just remove all their threats and deck them with Sign in Blood...if you like spending an hour playing for one ticket.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 6, 2012 13:53:28 GMT -5
Dross Golem is another good choice. I didn't know about that one.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Sept 19, 2012 17:00:13 GMT -5
Anyone expect anything for tomorrow's announcement? I don't think we'll see anything new on Pauper's banlist, though I'm starting to think that Post should leave the format.
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Post by kennon on Sept 19, 2012 22:16:19 GMT -5
Hmmm... nah, things seem good enough to me at the moment, though enough other people dislike Post that it worries me.
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Post by yugular on Sept 20, 2012 0:41:19 GMT -5
I dont expect WotC to make any bans in pauper.
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Post by Mr. Kris on Sept 20, 2012 1:32:25 GMT -5
Everything as it seems right now is cyclical. Infect comes in, beats up on people, people start boarding in hate. Then Delver comes through, aggro becomes popular again (Or MBC), then you get hate, and then URPost starts showing up, and then Storm takes down a daily. I know its always the same 5-7 decks, but still seems healthy as far as this is considered a "competitive format." Sure you can get your Rouge deck to 3-1, but just as in Legacy, the format is pretty much proven, and would take a great new card (Delver) to bring a new deck into existence. In summation: Good Permission deck? (Delver, MBC and Post) Good Aggro? (Green Stompy, Affinity, Goblins) Good Combo? (Strorm Variants, Infect) ...and then there's Burn.
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Post by RockBass on Sept 20, 2012 12:10:00 GMT -5
No bans, no surprise.
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For the record, I don't think Cloudpost will ever get the ban, unless they release a third Post that makes it absolutely insane. While there is a strong dislike for the deck in regards to the hosts of the show, the deck is still pretty fair.
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Post by gabochido on Sept 20, 2012 14:38:29 GMT -5
I've done a lot of analysis and I've written in various forums, including this one my thoughts on this but I'd like to reiterate. The metagame is both dynamic and deep. By this I mean there are a large number of competitive decks and, due to the rock/paper/scissors effect, they are constantly trading places for which one is the most popular. In addition, Wizards, deliberately or not, keeps printing out cards that change the landscape considerably almost every set. Don't believe me? take a look:
Zendikar -> Goblin Bushwhacker -> Made goblins and storm new powerhouses. M11 -> Squadron Hawk -> Revolutionized white weenie Scars of Mirrodin brought: Glimmerpost -> made IzzetPost viable New Phyrexia -> Glistener Elf -> made the Infect a powerhouse Innistrad -> Delver of Secrets -> Made aggro-blue a powerhouse DKA -> Loyal Cathar/Doomed Traveler -> Revolutionized white weenie again. Avacyn Restored -> Young Wolf/hunger of the howlpact -> Revitalized stompy
And this list doesn't include cards that had minor impact in modifying some archetypes.
It seems hard to believe, but the metagame we have right now is very different from the metagame we had a year ago, which is a big thing for an eternal format with such powerful older cards. I wouldn't be surprised that the ravnica block changes the metagame completely and that we will have a whole new set of decks dominating the top spots.
One of the reasons for why a couple of cards can boost up a deck to the top is because there actually isn't that much of a difference in power between most decks.
If you take the top 3 decks: delver, izzetpost and grixis storm, it actually takes a very skilled player to go just 3-1 with any of these decks. If they have to face any of the other first tier decks (WW, stompy, infect, goblins, affinity, MBC ) under the pilot of a more skilled player, they'll probably lose. So all in all its very balanced and as much as I would love to see storm and izzetpost decks go away, there are many, many players who enjoy those decks and it would be unfair to them.
... So no, I don't think anything is getting banned any time soon.
In fact, the most likely movement would be the unbanning of cranial plating. I think that at the most, that would bring affinity back to the level of where the top 3 decks are.
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Post by Mr. Kris on Sept 21, 2012 11:20:09 GMT -5
Do you think that they could take the approach with our format of that of Vintage? So instead of BANNING a card we get a RESTRICTION?
Maybe restricting Cranial Plating, Glimmerpost, and Glistener Elf/Invigorate to a 1 of? Or is this thought just a complete hogwash?
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