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Post by jcrodd7776 on Jan 13, 2012 22:49:48 GMT -5
chris,
off topic banter has always been a fun part of podcast keep it going plus its always fun to hear the groups opinion on other formats
jfcjr
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Post by nyukon on Jan 14, 2012 1:25:34 GMT -5
Damn! I didn't realize this topic would get so much attention. From the MTG Coordinator Stand point when you run store events with the intent to be profitable Modern simply doesn't sell, until it does pick up this format just isn't cutting it. I am not trying to say that the format sucks I am just saying. Alot of players don't realize the work that goes in to planning events and making your local store venues successful I put about 5-6 hours of work a week to make sure the prize support is available, the supplies needed to run the event such as Booster Packs for drafts/sealed tourney are ready, the advertising in the store on the web and around college 3 college campuses are present, and most importantly that my players are happy with the direction we are going is what they want. On top of that I have 2 other coordinators to keep track of and make sure that they have everything they need plus get Coordinator and Customer Schedules printed a ready to go not to mention planning 3 months worth of tourneys on the calendar because we plan our events Quarterly. I am not complaining I am just letting you guys know what I do at my store. It seems crazy to do all of that but I really do like this game and the single best reward I get is seeing everyone show up Friday and Saturday having a good time. So when a certain format bombs it pretty much feels like I just wasted my time. So next time you go to your local store thank that coordinator for his hard work because we do alot for this game.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 14, 2012 9:28:03 GMT -5
Nate, I have the utmost respect for coordinators and local TOs. I understand that the work you do is not always easy. What I'm saying is that new formats like Modern, with definite market value, shouldn't be dismissed simply because they are new. How many stores missed-out on the rising popularity of formats like Legacy and Commander, just because they were too busy looking at the short term value of Standard?
Eternal formats, casual ones like Commander, or competitive ones like Legacy, support players with long-term investment into the game. Players who are often a little older, with greater income, and who are unlikely to drop the game simply because they have a new girlfriend, or because they are going to College. Sure, these players may not consume their weekly allowances into Booster packs, but they will keep buying singles and attending events and tournaments for much longer than the average Standard player. Now i'm not saying that Standard formats are worse than Eternal formats, but they appeal to different people, and are generally found at the opposite ends of the short-term/long-term spectrum.
The thing to remember with Modern is that it is a much better format to support than Legacy for WotC. They have already admitted to not doing everything they could to support Old and New Extended, and are trying to reverse that trend with Modern. Wizards need another competitive format to go with Standard, and Legacy, for various reasons, cannot be that second format.
WotC will support Modern. At this point, they have to. And I feel that stores which can tap into that by informing the playerbase, by getting rid of misconceptions about the format, and by creating a demand for it at the local level, will be the ones to benefit the most from it down the line.
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Post by yugular on Jan 14, 2012 9:39:57 GMT -5
About Modern format. I haven't really played it, nor will I (at least in the near future). But for me it seems like great opportunity for WotC and players to make it a nice format. And listening In Contention has given me the picture of it being very interesting and healthy format.
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Post by RockBass on Jan 14, 2012 17:36:18 GMT -5
It probably also has to do with the individual stores. Nate probably doesn't have a Modern format store. I don't here in town. It's a draft environment first and foremost. Sometimes they can't even get a Standard FNM to fire.
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Post by yugular on Jan 14, 2012 17:44:26 GMT -5
It probably also has to do with the individual stores. Nate probably doesn't have a Modern format store. I don't here in town. It's a draft environment first and foremost. Sometimes they can't even get a Standard FNM to fire. Yes. Of course metagame and even format popularity will vary between different places. Nate's store runs successfully pauper events, I don't believe many stores can do that as often etc.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 16, 2012 13:40:31 GMT -5
To me, when I got back into the game about a year ago, I saw Extended as the logical next step to expand into after Standard. The idea was that I would Standard my way into Extended... buying everything in Standard now, then still being able to use it once it rotated and within a year or two I'd be just as viable in Extended as I was in Standard. With Modern, it's a cliff. I can stand on the edge holding a Standard deck, look down at that deck in my hand, and for the most part throw it into the chasm for all the good it's going to do me. Players could grow from Standard into Extended. To step into Modern is not really different from stepping into Legacy... you're going to be starting over, it's just a question of how much money you've got and how many new cards you have to figure out. And that's how I ended up in Pauper. Since my Standard cards are going to become half trash once a year, and I'm not going to play catch up on past sets to the level Modern or Legacy would require, I've picked an eternal format that I can keep up with.
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Post by RockBass on Jan 16, 2012 16:19:31 GMT -5
To me, when I got back into the game about a year ago, I saw Extended as the logical next step to expand into after Standard. The idea was that I would Standard my way into Extended... buying everything in Standard now, then still being able to use it once it rotated and within a year or two I'd be just as viable in Extended as I was in Standard. With Modern, it's a cliff. I can stand on the edge holding a Standard deck, look down at that deck in my hand, and for the most part throw it into the chasm for all the good it's going to do me. Players could grow from Standard into Extended. To step into Modern is not really different from stepping into Legacy... you're going to be starting over, it's just a question of how much money you've got and how many new cards you have to figure out. And that's how I ended up in Pauper. Since my Standard cards are going to become half trash once a year, and I'm not going to play catch up on past sets to the level Modern or Legacy would require, I've picked an eternal format that I can keep up with. That makes total sense. I believe that was Wizard's intention for players; to go from Standard to Extended, to Legacy. The problem became the price gap.
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Post by High_Gene on Jan 24, 2012 2:48:04 GMT -5
Returning to the deck which was kind of trashed. Here's a list that I quite like. I admit it's not up to date, but I think that's a pretty good base for anyone who wants to play a Jund deck. I think the card choices as well as his plays are nicely explained. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gYuHNgKj7I
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