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Post by castigar on May 24, 2012 16:17:47 GMT -5
Was testing various mono black builds I had made the other day in tournament practice room when I ran across a payer rocking what appeared to be a mono black land destruction build dunno what all it had in it but it spanked me quite mightily.
cards I saw before matches were over lots of swamps dark ritual mana skimmer icequake pretty sure it had rancid earth as well various creature kill like geth's verdict. pretty sure it had unearth as well.
all I know is I was so locked down in one match I started with a 3 land hand only managed to keep one land and the next with a 4 land hand didnt get to ever have more than 2 mana and that was tapped constantly.
anyone know how viable a land destruction build would be in the meta game at this time and anyone have any idea what the actual deck list is didn't have a chance to question the guy before he was gone.
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Post by jacelightning on May 24, 2012 18:05:50 GMT -5
That would be an interesting way to attack the metagame when there is a concentration of cloudpost based control decks. I think that it could be a viable deck, but I think that Red is a better place for it. You could use stone rain, molten rain, roiling terrain, seismic spike, earth rift. Throw in some kind of acceleration and spot removal and you could get ahead and mana and just deny them resources all game long eventually winning with a roiling terrain.
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Post by yugular on Jun 9, 2012 1:31:29 GMT -5
If someone finds a decklist for this I would be very interested to see it. I wonder if Evil Presence is playable in this kind of a deck (in SB).
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Post by Mr. Kris on Jun 10, 2012 0:48:36 GMT -5
Besides the cloudposts, we also have 16 land delver decks, Storm, and Gobbos. I would say for sure that either a Mono Red/Black, or even a 50/50 Split would make for a good meta-call.
Hmm now to brew...
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Post by ParoXitiC on Jun 13, 2012 15:48:56 GMT -5
Hmm I like this idea. Dark ritual could result in a turn 1 LD spell. Then you have other cards can't remember the names that turn lands to swamps and deals damage each time that land is tapped. You could run Cloudpost in this deck and run Consume Spirit FTW? Or just run control crits and ping for the win with the 2 rats.
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Post by ParoXitiC on Jun 13, 2012 16:00:31 GMT -5
Sorry to double post but i have seen a few LD builds pop in the Daily events going 3-1. Here are the lists to those decks. But I would really like to see this B brew. The most recent LD build I have seen is an Armadillo Cloak LD build. Interesting deck here that went 3-1 [deck]3 Evolving Wilds 12 Forest 1 Plains 1 Terramorphic Expanse 17 lands 4 Aura Gnarlid 4 Blastoderm 3 Guardian of the Guildpact 4 Sacred Wolf 4 Totem-Guide Hartebeest 3 Wickerbough Elder 22 creatures 1 Ancestral Mask 2 Armadillo Cloak 3 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss 2 Prismatic Strands 1 Snake Umbra 4 Thermokarst 4 Utopia Sprawl 4 Wild Growth 21 other spells Sideboard 3 Holy Light 2 Journey to Nowhere 1 Prismatic Strands 4 Sandstorm 4 Standard Bearer 1 Wickerbough Elder[/deck] Second we have a RUG Post LD I have been obsessed with trying to figure out a good LD list for Pauper. This list went 3-1 in a Daily but I believe it can be tweaked to be even better. I think its main advantage is card advantage and mana excel of course [deck]4 Mountain 1 Deep Analysis 3 Rupture Spire 3 Earth Rift 4 Reap and Sow 1 Island 2 Mystical Teachings 1 Crop Rotation 2 Rolling Thunder 1 Sylvan Bounty 1 Sandstorm 4 Firebolt 4 Glimmerpost 2 Stone Rain 2 Moment's Peace 2 Expedition Map 3 Terramorphic Expanse 2 Forbidden Alchemy 4 Cloudpost 1 Ulamog's Crusher 4 Wall of Roots 3 Prophetic Prism 1 Overgrown Battlement 5 Forest Sideboard 1 Seismic Shudder 1 Deep Analysis 1 Earth Rift 2 Ancient Grudge 3 Think Twice 2 Crop Rotation 1 Rolling Thunder 1 Moment's Peace 1 Overgrown Battlement 2 Toil to Renown[/deck] 3rd we have a mono red LD Went 3-1 also in a daily [deck]4 Cloudpost 4 Glimmerpost 15 Mountain 4 Martyr of Ashes 4 Ulamog's Crusher 4 Earth Rift 3 Expedition Map 4 Firebolt 2 Kaervek's Torch 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Molten Rain 4 Rolling Thunder 4 Stone Rain Sideboard 2 Echoing Ruin 2 Flame Slash 3 Gorilla Shaman 4 Pyroblast 4 Seismic Shudder[/deck] 4th we have a Elves LD This deck went 3-1 in a recent rather large Daily. I LIKE IT!! Hope I can build It and actually be able to get on here and play it. [deck]22 Forest 3 Arbor Elf 3 Fyndhorn Elves 3 Llanowar Elves 4 Lys Alana Huntmaster 1 Safehold Elite 4 Timberwatch Elf 4 Winnower Patrol 4 Drain the Well 4 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss 4 Thermokarst 4 Vines of Vastwood Sideboard 4 Essence Warden 4 Naturalize 3 Safehold Elite 4 Wellwisher[/deck] And 5th we have a RG LD Another rarely seen/unusual deck list in the 3-1 daily. [deck]4 Cloudpost 7 Forest 4 Glimmerpost 2 Gruul Turf 6 Mountain 4 Aurochs Herd 1 Fangren Marauder 2 Fierce Empath 1 Krosan Tusker 2 Mold Shambler 4 Overgrown Battlement 2 Ulamog's Crusher 3 Wall of Roots 4 Earth Rift 3 Firebolt 2 Flame Slash 2 Gruul Signet 2 Kaervek's Torch 4 Reap and Sow 1 Rolling Thunder Sideboard 3 Ancient Grudge 2 Fangren Marauder 3 Moment's Peace 3 Pyroblast 4 Sandstorm[/deck]
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Post by smg420 on Jun 17, 2012 6:47:23 GMT -5
So anyone have a list for the black one. I made one but it stalls out sometimes.
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Post by Fan of History on Feb 10, 2013 5:27:13 GMT -5
I think we might need to look into this again, given the success the 3-1 LD list had in yesterday´s daily and the fact that the whole meta is filled with post decks, decks that use enchantments on lands AND decks than play 16 land. www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/499170313 Forest 9 Mountain 4 Aurochs Herd 4 Durkwood Baloth 4 Fyndhorn Elves 4 Llanowar Elves 4 Firebolt 4 Misguided Rage 3 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss 3 Staggershock 4 Stone Rain 4 Thermokarst 4 Ancient Grudge 3 Flame Slash 4 Gleeful Sabotage 4 Smash to Smithereens
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Post by Mr. Kris on Feb 11, 2013 17:21:52 GMT -5
Just a Brainstorm but a Mono B land control deck could be profitable. It's got draw, a pretty ok curve, and beats. Its probably lacking but an idea to be had for sure.
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3 Evil Presence (Should this be spell based? Maybe: Choking Sands?) 4 Tainted Well 3 Contaminated Ground
3 Chittering Rats 4 Liliana's Specter 3 Ravenous Rats 2 Okiba Gang Shinobi 2 Crypt Rats
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Feb 12, 2013 11:37:21 GMT -5
I don't know. Contaminated Ground, Evil Presence, Tainted Well - these are all mana disruption spells. They will likely work great against certain decks... and be completely dead against others. A few copies as part of a deck's whole disruption package seems fine, but it seems risky to make them the main focus.
Have you considered pure Land Destruction? Chocking Sands and Rancid Earth are great, and it would probably be possible to play some of the more expensive ones on the back of Rituals (Dark, Cabal, maybe some of the red ones). Storm is pretty much dead, but "Storm" LD could work.
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Post by Fan of History on Feb 14, 2013 4:19:17 GMT -5
Choking Sands and Rancid Earth looks like the strongest black contenders. Also, I think a deck that tries both to discard and LD will be too diverted. If you are getting your land destroyed, you don´t have any problems discarding things. It would be better to go for Dark Rituals and beatdown creatures that can actually finish off the opponent while you are destroying lands (as in the RG list I posted above)
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Post by Fan of History on Feb 14, 2013 4:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Feb 14, 2013 8:58:37 GMT -5
Misguided Rage? Oh I love it. Haven't seen that card in years. I'll have to look at the vids when I have time. Looks pretty sweet. The early game seems like it could be difficult though. The elves can work as blockers, but then again you want them to ramp into your LD spells. Maybe take a page out of Mono Green Post and use Walls? I may be mistaken. Guess we should move this to a different thread though or rename this one "Pauper LD" or something. Mods?
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Post by yugular on Feb 14, 2013 10:07:43 GMT -5
Guess we should move this to a different thread though or rename this one "Pauper LD" or something. Mods? Renamed and moved from decks to format board. This thread is now officially meant for talking LD in the format. Specific decklists and discussion on those are of course allowed in their own threads in the deck forum, but as this topic "derailed" into a more general discussion I feel that Grumpys suggestion was good.
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Post by Fan of History on Feb 17, 2013 9:44:06 GMT -5
Good moderating there, yugular.
Misguided Rage... I am not sure I like it in the deck, but it was there, so I played it. Guess it is just the best candidate for a turn 2 LD spell that can be cast with one single colored mana
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