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Post by Fan of History on Feb 20, 2013 8:17:49 GMT -5
It was actually way way lower than that, 1 out 200 or 1 out of 250, or somewhere along those lines, never did the actual math on when I got them. LOL! yes! 4% would be awesome! I meant 0,4%. Changed it. Sorry about that. Even 1% would be really really good. I wonder if UR Storm even was at 1% but I think so Do you know what your turn 2 and turn 3 kill percentages were? I remember doing some turn 3 with your decks when I played it. It was not that uncommon, was it?
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Post by grapplingfarang on Feb 20, 2013 8:46:55 GMT -5
Turn 3 wasn't uncommon, but I generally wouldn't try for them, usually try to extend games against control. I'd think it was probably you could get a turn 3 60% of the time in solitaire if you really tried for it though, but hard to tell.
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Post by yugular on Mar 24, 2013 3:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by RockBass on Mar 24, 2013 9:55:56 GMT -5
I'm actually revising my own answer at this time to say nothing.
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Post by avery61 on Mar 24, 2013 12:50:42 GMT -5
Yeah my answer hasn't changed.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Mar 25, 2013 5:15:42 GMT -5
I think that they could ban the whole damn Stompy deck!! Seriously, can I play against something else when I go online!? And no, Fissure Storm isn't a valid answer.
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Post by ckangas on Mar 25, 2013 20:49:28 GMT -5
I think that they could ban the whole damn Stompy deck!! Seriously, can I play against something else when I go online!? And no, Fissure Storm isn't a valid answer. UR Post, storm, MGA, delver, or affinity. Until all the LD hate takes out storm. The artifact hate takes out affinity. And then scattershot archer takes out delver. So we have UR Post and MGA. Somehow things seemed more diverse before the bannings...
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Post by Fan of History on Mar 27, 2013 5:38:16 GMT -5
Looking at the meta for the last few days, I think Pauper is not very healthy at all. Its either Fissure (Mono Blue, Simic or Familiar Storm), Extreme aggro or aggro-control to counter it (Delver, Affinity, Stompy) or Burn.
I am now quite convinced that banning Temporal Fissure and Cloudpost would make the format a lot better. It would increase interactivity (Temporal Fissure simply is not fun to play against) and would make a lot of mid-range and control decks dominated by Cloudposts playable. Back when I made the video I did not have much of an opinion, but now I clearly in favor of banning Cloudpost and Fissure. Having said that, I don't think my opinion will make much of a difference and I actually think that Wizars will make good decisions and also possiby that they will not make they before Friends
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Post by ckangas on Mar 28, 2013 0:02:03 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't have a lot of faith left in wizards. I *had* a lot of faith in them previous to these bannings. Yet, now it appears that most of that was due to apathy and not wisdom.
You have basically 11 decks that have placed, and simic storm being the only "new" one. There's arguably less diversity now than there was before. Grapeshot being gone is a good thing, but I'm not sure how temporal fissure and simic storm are much more enjoyable to play against. At least deluxe red got the game over quickly.
I like having there be some combo in the format...outside the weirdness that is simic storm. I think the format would be kept on its toes by ETW. Again, each color has hate available for the deck. I agree with grapeshot being banned....but infect and ETW based decks can both be beat by control and midrange decks with slow mana. It's simply a matter of lowering your curve.
Decks by-in-large lost to infect because their deck hadn't adapted properly. The curve was too low, there wasn't proper removal, etc. Infect could get lucky with t2 wins, but most games it didn't. It preyed on slow ponderous decks that weren't built to withstand it.
Delver can actually be beaten the same way. But can affinity, MGA and post? While there are exile red instants and sorceries to be played against MGA, all of those same spells are weak to affinity, since they only do 2 damage (not 4). Furthermore, affinity represents a combo in fling that is just as problematic as ETW. Yes, if you have access to white to prevent it, or blue to counter it you're fine. But without counters, it can be pretty tough to stop.
The above paragraph sounds like a balanced (or balanced enough meta). Yet, the real problem is post is still around. Other control varients aren't viable. Neither are midrange. Furthermore, you're still pigeon-holed into playing an aggro with a good delver and UR Post MU.
So to recap, there's basically one (I guess you could run UB instead) viable control deck. There's also one viable tempo deck. There's (basically) one viable combo deck in familiar storm/simic. And there's two viable aggro decks, affinity and MGA.
There's burn, goblins and hexproof as well, but those decks can typically only function well in a given meta.
I think you either ban all oppressive cards or none of them. Banning cloudpost and temporal fissure would open up room for people to play all sorts of control and midrange variants that are currently pushed out by cloudpost. Otherwise, unbanning some of the previous cards like invigorate and ETW would diversify the meta. If wizards have gone this far, they might as well take the modern approach and go ban heavy.
I mostly play UR Post and storm decks, but I realize that they are harming the current meta.
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Post by Fan of History on Apr 1, 2013 0:39:42 GMT -5
Well written, sir. I agree, except for the part about bringing back ETW. I never want to see that card again. Losing in a tournament before I can play a card on turn 1 is something I got fed up with the first time I was Black Lotus, Channel, Fireballed (died twice on turn 1 in Daily Event matches to UR Storm with 3 Crypt Rats and 3 Echoing Decay in deck, they are not answers before you can play your first land)
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Post by avery61 on Apr 1, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
I disagree strongly. I like the current meta and do not believe a change is coming anytime soon. Looking at the last 7 pauper events (just because that's how many loaded on my screen) Burn has as strong showing as anything in the last few events, and the argument you make does show a diverse format to me.
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Post by avery61 on Apr 1, 2013 11:51:35 GMT -5
I want to make sure that no one is offended by my post. I may disagree with future bannings but if they happen I'll get over it (after a brief crying jag) and adjust.
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Post by ckangas on Apr 1, 2013 18:49:02 GMT -5
I disagree strongly. I like the current meta and do not believe a change is coming anytime soon. Looking at the last 7 pauper events (just because that's how many loaded on my screen) Burn has as strong showing as anything in the last few events, and the argument you make does show a diverse format to me. Over the 30 days, it's 4-0 vs 3-1 percentage is fully half of delver. Delver, MGA and Simic/U storm are the only three decks putting up relatively "equal" %s, with affinity having good and bad weeks. Historically, pauper has had a very even 4-0 and 3-1 %s. I've always been amazed at how close the event ratios were. Since the bannings, it's been a lot more lopsided than I can remember...at least apart from Frantic Storm (which was banned) and MBC's glory days when slivers was a tier 1 aggro deck. We're seeing different decks enter into the fray, but I think it's due more to people wanting to try out the new meta than a good sense of balance.
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Post by Fan of History on Apr 13, 2013 13:30:54 GMT -5
I, for one, has not been this unexcited about Pauper since I started playing it. There was an event this week where all 4-0 decks were Fissure decks. This is not the format I love. To quote my own Hitler movie: "Pauper will be all about Cloudpost mirrors and getting all your lands stuck in your hand." For anyone who has not seen it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnNotCwUzo(Hitler reacts to the bannings of Empty The Warrens and Grapeshot) Tomorrow I will put together my first Modern deck in a year and try out some Modern ... or maybe just play M13 Sealed in preparation for the MOCS, but if I manage to play some Pauper it will be Deluxeicoff's new LD brew to deal with those Stormposts decks. Playing against Stormpost just is not very fun, really. I can usually make myself think it is fun (like the control mirrors) if it is what is needed to well in Dailies, but at this point I am just fed up with getting all my lands returned to my hand.
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Post by ckangas on Apr 15, 2013 2:08:14 GMT -5
I think things will only get worse before they get better.
I have to admit, while I still feel 100% the same about my feelings on the previous bannings, it played out differently than I expected. I thought everything would be anti-post, familiar storm and UR. It turns out there was a familiar post variant that has an amazing UR MU, and isn't all that weak to delver.
Having played it a fair amount recently, there just isn't a mainstream deck that shuts down mono U or UG. Burn, delver, infect, MG Post, etc. all have positive MUs against it. Those decks just aren't as good against the rest of the field, however. You also need a *lot* of LD to beat the deck.
I've been playing mono U and delver lately. Playing mono U is pretty fun at the moment. But, just like familiar storm before it, eventually it will just grind down to where everyone is playing the deck, and your last 2 games in a DE are just about to be guaranteed to be mirrors. It wasn't a fun time with it before, and I don't look forward to it now.
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