Post by grumpyoldgamer on Feb 18, 2013 11:29:46 GMT -5
Considering what they recently banned and where they seem to want to go with the banlist, I think that both Cloudpost and Cloud of Faeries should be banned.
How about an unbanning? I could see Empty the Warrens coming back. As many have pointed out there are a lot answers to it, and it does keep post decks in check. I personally don't see the 8post decks as that oppressive, and feel that it's still very early to see how the format shakes out.
Personnaly, I hate burn decks so I'd vote for banning mountains,,, ok maybe a little far left of center.
Cloudpost gets the boot. They also bring back Empty the Warrens.
I wouldn't mind seeing ETW and invigorate unbanned.
I thought the format was fairly healthy before, even if TPPS was an un-fun deck to play against. If they're going to leave the current bannings in place, I think cloudpost should definitely be added. I actually play a fair amount of post decks, but a meta full of cloudposts is neither a fun nor healthy one.
Post by Fan of History on Feb 19, 2013 14:41:56 GMT -5
I never want to see Empty the Warrens again in Pauper and I don´t think we ever will. Wizards have clearly stated that they frown on kills turn 3 and earlier. Twice UR STorm killed me in Daily Events on turn 1 even before I played a land (with Echoing Decay in hand once). Grapplingfarang stated that it was not uncommon for him to kill turn 1 (0,4% if I do not remember it wrong) and he also did it to me in a Daily. That is just not fun magic and not really competetive magic either.
Actually, I would rather see Grapeshot come back because the decks that relied on Grapeshot to kill were more likely to fizzle (UR Storm with ETW only went off when it had the kill) and were easier to disrupt with discard. Grapeshot kills also happened much later in the game than ETW kills, often not before turn 3.
Last Edit: Feb 20, 2013 8:16:58 GMT -5 by Fan of History
That's interesting, because I've had almost the exact opposite experience. Warrens would rarely get me due to the board wipe, and I always ate it to Grapeshot.
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I'm gonna go with the people voting here and say that "None of the above" is the correct answer.
Look at the metagame report at mtgo-stats.info/formatStats/?fName=Pauper. The top 5 decks are Stompy, Izzet Post, Delver, Affinity, Fissure Storm. That's Aggro, Control, Aggro-Control, Midrange, and Combo. So we have a classic, balanced metagame, with all of the major archetypes represented. None of them are winning before turn 4 with any regularity. The top deck, Stompy, is the most straightforward deck you can imagine: you play creatures, and then you attack with them. There's nothing broken here.
I would be very surprised if Wizards banned anything when Dragon's Maze comes out.
That's interesting, because I've had almost the exact opposite experience. Warrens would rarely get me due to the board wipe, and I always ate it to Grapeshot.
It could be partly due to the decks we played. With UB Trinket I had plenty of time to disrupt Grixis Storm (especially without ETW) where a UR Storm would just go off before I could even resolve an Augur of Skulls
I never want to see Empty the Warrens again in Pauper and I don´t think we ever will. Wizards have clearly stated that they frown on kills turn 3 and earlier. Twice UR STorm killed me in Daily Events on turn 1 even before I played a land (with Echoing Decay in hand once). Grapplingfarang stated that it was not uncommon for him to kill turn 1 (4% if I do not remember it wrong) and he also did it to me in a Daily. That is just not fun magic and not really competetive magic either.
Actually, I would rather see Grapeshot come back because the decks that relied on Grapeshot to kill were more likely to fizzle (UR Storm with ETW only went off when it had the kill) and were easier to disrupt with discard. Grapeshot kills also happened much later in the game than ETW kills, often not before turn 3.