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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 5, 2012 20:22:01 GMT -5
Just curious to know if anyone is playing this format. Magic can't really be more budget than this. For those who do not know what Momir Basic is, take a look at this old article. It's still a pretty good summary. A very fun format.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 5, 2012 21:00:00 GMT -5
I tried it, briefly... but it was just a bit too random for me. There is some small strategy in how you drop land based on the potential abilities of the creatures that come in, but it wasn't enough for me.
Tell me what you like about it... I'm willing to be convinced into playing it again.
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Post by bobblyigg on Jan 5, 2012 21:48:46 GMT -5
It is like flipping a coin unless your skill level is way above or below your opponent's. I would not do 2 mans with it because of that unless you are feeling lucky, punk.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 6, 2012 20:54:22 GMT -5
I agree completely and I wouldn’t participate in 2-man queues either. But the format is fun and has value beyond being simply entertaining. One of the reasons why I like Momir Basic is that it allows me to train myself on certain aspects of the game. It’s a bit like deckbuilding. Potential deckbuilders are often encouraged to build, not simply to create new decks, but also because the act of building decks provide value of its own, allowing the person to learn about cards, interactions and general synergies. Momir Basic does something similar on two levels: randomness and combat. Randomness is part of the game. Even in highly tuned decks with tutors and wishes, randomness is a major factor for yourself and your opponent. Now Momir Basic push this even further, where casting is always random. You never know what you or your opponent is going to flip, and that forces you to think on your feet and adapt, something that Constructed players often have difficulties with. There are no top-decks here, no redundant strategies, and no card draw or library manipulations to help you sculpt a game plan. Shit happens, and you have to learn to deal with it. The other factor is combat. There are a surprising numbers of players who are bad at combat, who do not understand the value of aggression, the necessities of defense, or the simple maths behind a successful combat phase. Most games of Momir Basic are resolved solely through combat. You win or lose, not only with the creatures you and your opponent end up with, but also with how you manage the battlefield. A week or so ago, I won a game where my opponent dropped a Phyrexian Obliterator on turn 4. And I won, not because I was able to cast a creature to trump his Obliterator, but thanks to effective attacks and blocks and a sufficient level of aggression. And that’s why I have a soft spot for the format. It’s great fun for sure, but there are some valuable lessons to be learned from playing it.
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Post by yugular on Jan 7, 2012 1:45:39 GMT -5
I have only seen the name of the format in modo. Never knew what it actually was
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 7, 2012 8:21:45 GMT -5
I think that was the intent of the format, to let people see a variety of creatures they wouldn't have normally seen and to allow players to practice their combat skills. It certainly does both of those things, but the combat equations end up skewed because you don't know what other creatures you (or your opponent) will get next.
Grumpy, typically speaking do you find it best to drop the next creature before combat phase so you have a better idea of what you'll be looking at? That's how I would typically play it, but I can't claim to have gotten very good at the format.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 7, 2012 10:49:42 GMT -5
Mostly I drop my creatures pre-combat just in case I get one with a CiP effect. If I have a creature with an activated ability in play, I may wait after combat though. Usually, if I'm on the play I will skip the 1cmc slot and drop a 2cmc creature since there are several good utility creatures and hate bears at that cmc. After that I skip the 3cmc or 4cmc slot, depending on what kind of start my opponent has and from there I drop dudes up to 8cmc. If my board is solid I may skip a turn casting and just play a land, because activated abilities will make a difference in combat. Some players will also skip the 7cmc slot because of Phage. If I'm on the draw, I just skip the 1cmc slot and drop a creature every turn up to 8cmc. There are usually no reason to go higher than 8cmc since most of the real game breakers are at that casting cost. If you want to go really crazy however, you may want to try MoJhoSto. It's Momir, but you also use the avatars of Jhoira of the Ghitu and Stonehewer Giant. So you get random creatures, random equipments and random spells. Expect your brain to hurt.
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Post by RockBass on Jan 7, 2012 12:19:23 GMT -5
The more I hear about this format, the more it sounds amazing to me.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 7, 2012 21:14:37 GMT -5
Okay, damn it... I'll rebuy the friggin' thing!
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 8, 2012 11:00:32 GMT -5
Okay, damn it... I'll rebuy the friggin' thing! Hehehe. Sorry 'bout that. The Momir Vig avatar is the most expensive, 9-10 tix online but I think that WotC is still selling a Momir Deck for about the same price. If someone is interested in MoJhoSto, the Jhoira avatar is about 0.30 tix and the Stonehewer avatar about 0.05 tix.
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Post by dougbiss on Jan 8, 2012 20:26:25 GMT -5
I have them all, now. Maybe you can show me the MoJhoSto version at some point.
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Post by RockBass on Jan 9, 2012 13:07:00 GMT -5
I bought the pack through the MtGO store this weekend. 10 bucks for the avatar, plus 60 lands I don't use. Plus, it's the alternate Momir Vig art, which means people call you a "noob".
I'm making youtube videos of me playing the format. It's very fun and crazy.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Jan 9, 2012 20:35:22 GMT -5
I'm making youtube videos of me playing the format. It's very fun and crazy. Got anything up? I'd like to see that! And, really? You got called a 'noob' because of a card with an alternate art? I swear, sometime if I had the power to reach through the screen and slap the fool sitting on the other side...
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Post by RockBass on Jan 10, 2012 15:18:54 GMT -5
I'm prettying up the videos tonight, and I'll post them. There's a lot of me going "what the fuck is that card?", and I want to make the videos a little more concise first.
And yeah, people get really irate about the alt art for some reason.
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