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Post by RockBass on Mar 2, 2012 0:54:27 GMT -5
I've decided that this is the deck I want to build for Modern, as I always wanted to play it in Standard and never got around to building it.
All the lists I've seen seem to make it sound similar to Storm. Anyone have any thoughts about a deck like this?
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Post by High_Gene on Mar 2, 2012 5:55:20 GMT -5
I like Pyromancer's Ascension a lot. I wouldn't play it competitively, though, not because of its power but because of how it's played. Anyways... As far as I'm concerned, there are two possible ways to play the red enchantment: either you go for the storm build (real combo) or you keep it classical by going for counter burn (control-combo).
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Mar 2, 2012 6:29:37 GMT -5
All the lists I've seen seem to make it sound similar to Storm. Anyone have any thoughts about a deck like this? Did you have a particular list in mind? Between Pyromancer's Ascension and Pyromancer's Swath, and the combo and not-so-combo version, you have a few options.
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Post by RockBass on Mar 2, 2012 15:20:16 GMT -5
All the lists I've seen seem to make it sound similar to Storm. Anyone have any thoughts about a deck like this? Did you have a particular list in mind? Between Pyromancer's Ascension and Pyromancer's Swath, and the combo and not-so-combo version, you have a few options. I will dig them up. They're bookmarked at home. What would you guys suggest for a budget deck in Modern? I honestly don't know enough about all of the cards on my own to home brew. I did like Sovereigns of Lost Alara with Eldrazi Conscription, though.
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Post by yugular on Mar 2, 2012 15:44:54 GMT -5
What would you guys suggest for a budget deck in Modern? I honestly don't know enough about all of the cards on my own to home brew. I did like Sovereigns of Lost Alara with Eldrazi Conscription, though. I don't know much about modern, but isn't the storm deck quite budget? Also how pricey Affinity is? Or do there exist a Burn deck? Burn decks are always cheap.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Mar 2, 2012 18:31:11 GMT -5
What would you guys suggest for a budget deck in Modern? I honestly don't know enough about all of the cards on my own to home brew. I did like Sovereigns of Lost Alara with Eldrazi Conscription, though. I don't know much about modern, but isn't the storm deck quite budget? Also how pricey Affinity is? Or do there exist a Burn deck? Burn decks are always cheap. Yeah Burn is inexpensive, though it's not such a great deck in the format right now thanks to Martyr-Proc and Melira Pod. Storm, Pyromancer Ascension and Splinter Twin are also fairly cheap, even though they are being victim of their popularity. Since many people figured that these decks were inexpensive to build, the price of many key cards went up. I feel that 'budget' is a bit of a loaded question when it comes to an eternal format. The barrier of entry, the price you'll have to pay to get into the format, will always be higher with something like Legacy or Modern than with something like Standard. But at the same time, the maintenance cost for playing these older formats, is much lower. If for example you have 500$ to spend on Magic over the next 6 months, if you want to hit Standard you'll probably want to spent 125$ immediately to build a deck. From there you could easily pay 75$ a month for maintenance, and not be able to do and play everything you want. And once the format rotates, that 500$ will be worth a lot less. On the other hand, if you want to play Modern with the same amount, you'll probably need 300$ just to get started. But once you're ready to go, you certainly won't need more than 40$ a month and your cards will likely retain good value. Now the amounts are probably of, but you get the point: higher barrier of entry vs lower barrier of entry, lower maintenance cost vs higher maintenance cost. Now, to get back to the original question, I would ask: what do you like to play Chris? The format is incredibly diverse, and there are budget options for all kind of different decks. Not knowing what you would like to invest in (time-wise and money-wise), it's hard to come up with any suggestions.
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Post by RockBass on Mar 3, 2012 13:03:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that budget can be a loaded question. It's tough to determine how much I can spend on the format right now.
I think what might be best is to decide which deck I want to build and build it to the best of my resources, swapping out the budget cards for the more expensive ones as my finances allow it. If nothing else, it would make for a good learning experience for the community.
Having said that, probably Jund. Obviously Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant will be later additions. I may just build as close to the standard build as allows, and start swapping from there.
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Post by grumpyoldgamer on Mar 3, 2012 18:23:19 GMT -5
Okay. For things like these, I'm usually the first guy to say "bite the bullet, pay what you need and consider this a long-term investment". That being said, we're probably talking about the most expensive deck in the format. And if you don't have immediate access to some of the staples like Dark Confidant, 'Goyf or Liliana, it may take a while before you're able to build the deck to a point where you can get the gaming experience you're looking for. I do see the value from the community's point of view of taking a deck and budget-it up, but I'm not sure that Jund is the best option for such a project.
Just saying...
If you like Jund's color-palette, have you considered something like Melira Pod? It's not a budget deck per se, but it's quite affordable and you can build the whole deck online for something like 175 tix. The core of the deck itself (4x Birthing Pod, 3x Chord of Calling, 4x Kitchen Finks, 3x Melira, Sylvok Outcast, 1x Murderous Redcap, 3x Viscera Seer) is about 65 tix. It plays both combo and aggro, it's a highly customizable deck, it's powerful and it provides a lot of playing value (viability, effectiveness, competitiveness) - IMHO of course. For someone trying to get in the format, that would be my personal suggestion.
If not, Modern Township Tokens, Martyr-Proc or Combo Elves are other options I would recommend. I don't have a list right now for Martyr-Proc and I already posted a list for Modern Tokens elsewhere in these forums. For Combo Elves, you could go with something like this:
[Modern] Combo Elves
Creatures - 33 4x Arbor Elf 4x Elvish Archdruid 4x Elvish Visionary 1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 2x Essence Warden 1x Eternal Witness 1x Ezuri, Renegade Leader 4x Heritage Druid 2x Imperious Perfect 3x Llanowar Elves 4x Nettle Sentinel 2x Ranger of Eos 1x Regal Force
Spells - 9 3x Chord of Calling 3x Cloudstone Curio 1x Primal Command 2x Summoner's Pact
Lands - 18 8x Forest 4x Misty Rainforest 2x Temple Garden 4x Verdant Catacombs
Sideboard - 15 2x Burrenton Forge-Tender 2x Essence Warden 2x Imperious Perfect 1x Kataki, War's Wage 1x Ranger of Eos 3x Spellskite 1x Tajuru Preserver 1x Vexing Shusher 1x Viridian Zealot 1x Wren's Run Packmaster
*Obviously, it's possible to make the manabase quite a bit less expensive.
The point here is that I would never recommend Storm or other UR Combo decks to someone getting into the format. If you have something else to play, they make good alternate decks. Decks like Storm and Twins are notoriously good, but also notoriously un-fun to play for most players because of the lack of board interaction. Some people really enjoy them of course, but most players can only take so much. If someone wants to get into the format, I think he would be better served by building something else first.
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Post by yugular on May 19, 2013 1:00:28 GMT -5
Pyromancer's Ascension is back! It was a good stormdeck and got people to play at Pro Tour (like one LR host for example) but when Seething Song got banned the whole archetype took a hit. Now Jon Finkel played PA again in GP Portland: Lands (16) 1 Cascade Bluffs 3 Island 2 Misty Rainforest 1 Mountain 4 Scalding Tarn 3 Shivan Reef 2 Steam Vents Creatures (4) 4 Goblin Electromancer /Spells (40) 3 Desperate Ravings 4 Desperate Ritual 4 Gitaxian Probe 3 Grapeshot 2 Increasing Vengeance 4 Manamorphose 3 Past in Flames 1 Peer Through Depths 4 Pyretic Ritual 4 Pyromancer Ascension 4 Serum Visions 4 Sleight of Hand Sideboard (15) 2 Defense Grid 1 Dispel 3 Empty the Warrens 2 Leyline of Sanctity 4 Lightning Bolt 3 Shatterstorm source: Carlos Qutierrez - www.gatheringmagic.com/carlosgutierrez-standard-modern-deck-lists-05182013-five-decks-you-cant-miss-this-week/
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Post by yugular on May 20, 2013 7:34:25 GMT -5
I have playtested the deck in two matches so far, with some changes for the sideboard: Match1 against UB Reanimator - This is propably some kind of brewdeck. I lost game one for not attacking for lethal with my Goblin Electromancer and he proceeded to combo off next turn Game two I win easily. Game three he has nuts draw and comboes off in turn3. Match2 against Eggs - I won 2-0. No contest.
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Post by nyukon on Jun 8, 2013 7:44:36 GMT -5
Its a great deck but its way to fragile! I play grix twin in modern and I never lose to eggs or pyromancer's accension.
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Post by yugular on Jun 8, 2013 13:13:37 GMT -5
Its a great deck but its way to fragile! I play grix twin in modern and I never lose to eggs or pyromancer's accension. One bad matchup and its way too fragile? I agree that the deck isn't the most consistent deck, but I believe it's still very playable and able to pull results.
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Post by Fan of History on Jun 29, 2013 8:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by Fan of History on Jul 7, 2013 5:35:09 GMT -5
Though it was hard. I am now 1-4 with the deck in practice matches and that is my single worst record with any deck in any format ever for the first five matches. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5goG4v7CVhM (Where I try to play this against America Control)
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Post by yugular on Jul 7, 2013 7:18:18 GMT -5
Hmm.. I played the deck about a month ago and went 7-2 in tournament practice room. (I don't have the MUs marked just the record).
Do you have the decklist as text somewhere? What are the main concerns for you?
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