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Post by slithytove on Aug 5, 2013 20:12:37 GMT -5
So in the Golgaritron deck i've been playing I really enjoy the interaction between Cruel Revival and Nameless Inversion. It uses one of my favorite parts of magic, graveyard interaction!
So i've read the card Tortured Existence and even seen it in action with Grave Scrabbler and I absolutely love the synergy and the ooddles an oodles of graveyard interaction. What I want to know is does anyone have any particular Tortured Existence decks that they love or would like to share. I'm in the process of slowly trying to create a Golgari dredge/tortured existence deck but its taking awhile and so far i'm not really a big fan of what I have. So if you have a great deck that I could take a look at (and perhaps shamelessly net-deck) I would really appreciate it!
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Post by budgeteer on Aug 5, 2013 20:53:42 GMT -5
I really like a RB Discard list, if you watch the last video uploaded by magicgathering strat, there's a good list in that video.
Uses Delirium Skeins and Ghitu Slinger to control the board.
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Post by ckangas on Aug 6, 2013 1:09:12 GMT -5
E Hustle has had numerous incarnations over the last two+ years with TE decks and I'd argue that he was probably the best player and drafter of the genre, so his deck lists are a good place to start. While I don't think they were ever quite tier 1, they were tier 1.5 at times. I'd also argue that they were refined to the limit of what a GY recursion deck can do in pauper. There's G/B G/B/R, B/R and even B/W variants.
The decks are flat out dead to M U fissure (unless you overload on land D, which will hurt your other MUs). Still, much like UB trinket, it should be relatively strong against the rest of the field. Brownscale and the like have always been quite strong against a creature centric deck, and you can fit in enough removal to have a decent delver match.
Nighthawk and others have also created some decent M B zombie aggro decks if the grindy aspect isn't your forte.
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Post by Fan of History on Aug 6, 2013 3:28:10 GMT -5
E.Hustle just 4-0d with his list. He got 7QP with it during the last week. He will supply me with another top secret sideboard plan (the deck is notorious for other good players not being able to play it as well as E.hustle) and I will be playing the deck in the Pauper Gauntlet starting on Monday.
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Post by dom on Aug 6, 2013 4:21:56 GMT -5
What he said.
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Post by slithytove on Aug 6, 2013 8:44:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick replies guys. When I get the itch to try out a specific deck it's nice to be able to build it quickly. I've seen Dan's piloting of E. Hustles R/B version on youtube and it looks pretty neat (and complicated!). I look forward to seeing it in the upcoming gauntlet, however I'd like to try to make a G/B version if I can. This is probably a stupid question but where exactly can I find E. Hustle's previous lists?
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Post by Fan of History on Aug 6, 2013 9:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by slithytove on Aug 12, 2013 17:39:21 GMT -5
So after studying some of E.Hustle's old decks and brewing a bit i've come up with a B/G deck that i'm pretty fond off. Behold Tortured Madness!!
Creature (29) 4x Basking Rootwalla 4x Fume Spitter 2x Golgari Brownscale 2x Gorgon Recluse 3x Grave Scrabbler 4x Putrid Leech 4x Stinkweed Imp 2x Tilling Treefolk 2x Vampire Hounds 2x Wild Mongrel
Land (23) 4x Evolving Wilds 5x Forest 3x Golgari Rot Farm 11x Swamp
Instant (3) 2x Echoing Decay 1x Soulshriek
Sorcery (1) 1x Raven's Crime
Enchantment (4) 4x Tortured Existence
I'm very satisfied with how the deck is performing at the moment but what I need real help with is my sideboard! Here is what I have so far:
Sideboard (9) 2x Duress 1x Golgari Brownscale 2x Serene Heart 2x Snuff Out 2x Sylvok Replica
I've got 6 spots open and to tell you the truth i'm not too fond of Serene Heart when I run the possibility of blowing up my own Tortured Existence. What 'silver bullet' cards out there in Black or Green that can help me handle delver, cloudpost, or affinity? As always thanks for your many suggestions and help so far!
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Post by slithytove on Aug 16, 2013 16:24:57 GMT -5
Quick update on my graveyard crush. After really enjoying the above decklist I decided to give E. Hustle's R/B version a try. After several thrilling matches I decided that E. Hustle is really onto something with Perilous Myr and Gathan Raiders. Since they don't really need Red mana to cast them I thought i'd add them into my B/G deck and see how it ran. However as I was putting them I suddenly had a thought, "What does green add to my deck?". I paused for a second and then after perusing my cards I decided that really I only had 4 cards that required green mana to cast:
Basking Rootwalla Wild Mongrel Tilling Treefolk Putrid Leech
Golgari Brownscale doesn't count since he never actually gets cast.
The Rootwalla is definitely a great card for a discard deck but really once he's on the table there is nothing to do with him. Unless the opponenet stalls out his first few turns allowing you to pump him, he's really useless. So I cut him.
The Wild Mongrel was there to give me an additional discard outlet but un-like the Vampire Hounds I never really found myself using him enough. More often I had better ways to discard cards to get better effects then a measly +1/+1 and a color change. So I cut him too.
I absolutely love Tilling Treefolk since he's pure card advantage. Nothing feels better then using 2 Evolving Wilds and later casting this guy to return both of them and begin thinning out your deck. He's also nice to use with Raven's Crime since all those lands can come right back. However yet again I found him to be superfluous, usually the extra mana wasn't needed and a 1/3 although a nice wall really doesn't do much versus the meaner decks out there. So he got chopped down.
Finally I turned to the Putrid Leech and really I can't say enough great things about him. Multi-colored cards are rare in pauper and good ones even more so! The leech had done so much work in my deck. Plopping his gelatinous form down on turn 2 is amazing and if they don;t have enough blockers you just put them on a 5 turn clock! Slurp, Slurp. But.........he doesn't really work with the rest of the deck. As such an amazing card he can still pull a lot of weight but with a deck like this you need your cards to all posses some type of synergy and alas with the ole leechy there was none. Sadly I got out my big salt can.....
Then when I looked at my deck I realized what probably all of you noticed right off the bat....Green does noting in a Tortured Existence deck! Not effectively any way. Looking at what you get for switching from G/B to R/B is just impressive.
Death Spark Faithless Looting Ingot Chewer Mogg War Marshall
Since the only top tier deck i play is Goblins I am intimately familiar with Death Spark and can see how amazing it is when you need to discard something. Discarding death spark is isn't really discarding now is it!
Faithless looting really ups the difficultly level of the deck but in a good way! Being able to discard extra TEs or a death spark only to get it back again are great as well you can ditch faithless looting to flash it back later or you can even dredge off of the extra draw effects to really sculpt your hand.
Ingot Chewer is simply amazing, for just R I can blow up a Myr Enforcer and if I have TE up I can get him right back!
Mogg War Marshall is another card that i've played with a lot and can really appreciate it's advantages. I see why he's in the deck, to boost your Carrion Feeder, but i'm wondering if his spot could be better utilized....
So in conclusion, kudos E. Hustle, you've really crafted a great deck here. There are a few cards i'm going to try out, Pit Keeper instead of Mogg War Marshall for instance, but on the whole I can't really see much that could be changed in the deck! Bravo.
Now off to the Tournament Practice room for some grave shenanigans!
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Post by Fan of History on Aug 18, 2013 23:23:57 GMT -5
Apparently, E.hustles list has a very good Delver matchup.
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